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	<title>Comments on: Olbermann: Gay Marriage is a question of love</title>
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		<title>By: andrewnoble</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments, Graham. I admit that I don&#039;t know enough about the particulars of the gay marriage debate in the US, and so I won&#039;t presume to know much about this. I do, however, feel his use of scripture to plea for people to love each other more (specifically, and generally), is a challenging one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments, Graham. I admit that I don&#8217;t know enough about the particulars of the gay marriage debate in the US, and so I won&#8217;t presume to know much about this. I do, however, feel his use of scripture to plea for people to love each other more (specifically, and generally), is a challenging one.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on over mate and you can watch Countdown all the time!

I disagree with his comparisons of the political movement for gay marriage to that of slaves being able to marry.  Kind of insulting to African-Americans. That&#039;s supposed to be one of the reasons that black Californians voted so overwhelmingly for the ban.  

Gay couples in &quot;civil unions&quot; in California already have all of the same rights of straight married couples [http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/civilunions_domesticpartnership_statutes.htm] But that&#039;s not enough.  They also want official state endorsement of their lifestyle choice.  That&#039;s what this is about. Claiming that it&#039;s about love is disturbingly deceptive. It simply boils down to a desire to legally redefine the word &quot;marriage.&quot;  

Olbermann also unfortunately reduces the &quot;do unto others&quot; verse to a plea for moral relativism, a self-defeating worldview. He equates &quot;love&quot; with letting people do whatever they want.  What about when the polygamist or incestor makes the same appeal?  Afterall, these things don&#039;t affect me, right?  Can any moral line stand up to the power of &quot;love?&quot; Very passionate speech cloaking a very flimsy argument (I have to disagree with you Andrew -- it kind of disgusts me that such close-minded and narrow views get televised).

That said, unfortunately the church was very politically active in supporting Prop 8 (especially the Mormon church which has drawn the brunt of anti-8 protests in the wake of the result) and is therefore associated with being &quot;anti-gay&quot; and &quot;hateful&quot; etc.  So the net result of all that political involvement is probably actually quite negative for Christians and Christianity and how they are perceived by homosexuals and others.  I&#039;m sure this grieves God&#039;s heart.

When will the church learn to keep its independence from politics/government?  I hope it happens one day, for the betterment of all stakeholders in these kind of issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on over mate and you can watch Countdown all the time!</p>
<p>I disagree with his comparisons of the political movement for gay marriage to that of slaves being able to marry.  Kind of insulting to African-Americans. That&#8217;s supposed to be one of the reasons that black Californians voted so overwhelmingly for the ban.  </p>
<p>Gay couples in &#8220;civil unions&#8221; in California already have all of the same rights of straight married couples [http://www.ncsl.org/programs/cyf/civilunions_domesticpartnership_statutes.htm] But that&#8217;s not enough.  They also want official state endorsement of their lifestyle choice.  That&#8217;s what this is about. Claiming that it&#8217;s about love is disturbingly deceptive. It simply boils down to a desire to legally redefine the word &#8220;marriage.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Olbermann also unfortunately reduces the &#8220;do unto others&#8221; verse to a plea for moral relativism, a self-defeating worldview. He equates &#8220;love&#8221; with letting people do whatever they want.  What about when the polygamist or incestor makes the same appeal?  Afterall, these things don&#8217;t affect me, right?  Can any moral line stand up to the power of &#8220;love?&#8221; Very passionate speech cloaking a very flimsy argument (I have to disagree with you Andrew &#8212; it kind of disgusts me that such close-minded and narrow views get televised).</p>
<p>That said, unfortunately the church was very politically active in supporting Prop 8 (especially the Mormon church which has drawn the brunt of anti-8 protests in the wake of the result) and is therefore associated with being &#8220;anti-gay&#8221; and &#8220;hateful&#8221; etc.  So the net result of all that political involvement is probably actually quite negative for Christians and Christianity and how they are perceived by homosexuals and others.  I&#8217;m sure this grieves God&#8217;s heart.</p>
<p>When will the church learn to keep its independence from politics/government?  I hope it happens one day, for the betterment of all stakeholders in these kind of issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Giselle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giselle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, I agree with you. The church ought to be promoting love whether it be between same sex individuals or different sex individuals.. It doesn&#039;t have to act like such a prude!!! 
Being gay is just one&#039; preference..one&#039; choice.. it is just the way some people are made.. how they are born with their own unique choices.

Secondly, I think you are very cute.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, I agree with you. The church ought to be promoting love whether it be between same sex individuals or different sex individuals.. It doesn&#8217;t have to act like such a prude!!!<br />
Being gay is just one&#8217; preference..one&#8217; choice.. it is just the way some people are made.. how they are born with their own unique choices.</p>
<p>Secondly, I think you are very cute.</p>
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